by Calvin D. Banyan
Hello Everybody,
Cal Banyan here with Cal Banyan’s Hypnosis Etc., with Celeste Hackett, Celeste, what are you doing today?
Celeste: Well I got a lot of neat things here online here today for us to talk about. We’re going to talk about fractionation we’re going to go a little bit into that in just a little while. Cal you like to call a fractionation the fractionation deepening covert test, so there’s a question about that. I love fractionation; I think it’s the best thing to get somebody to umm the, the threshold of somnambulism.
And we’re going to talk about how to get details in Age Regression, and if we have time we’re going to talk about a client that was diagnosed with bipolar, the Hypnotist wants to know can he work with this guy.
Cal: Ah, very good grasshopper. Hey guess what I want before we get started I want to talk about the NGH Convention it was so cool and just seeing everybody, I just loved it, and they just stopped by my booth and we chatted and stuff. And then I had one of our grads come to me she was all upset, she, is because she was just catching the very end of a talk, and a very well known Professional Hypnotist slammed me in his class.
I told her get over it, it’s no big deal, and you know when people do stuff like that just water off a ducks back you know. I did have the NGH edit out of the recording though, no sense having that circulating around, but you know what don’t let the little stuff get you down you know.
Celeste: Cal could you clarify that some, was somebody mean to you?
Cal: Mean to me, accused me of all kinds of terrible things in his class. Well I think that makes him look bad more than it makes me look bad.
Celeste: Wow, I think so too, they’d better talk to me the next time they want to push you around Cal.
Cal: That’s right I’ll say you talk to my bodyguard over there.
Celeste: Here I am see my muscles.
Cal: Hey, oh, you know what’s happening right now, John’s bringing me some coffee, and hey John thanks a lot.
Celeste: Tell him to bring me some, oh, wait you’re in Tustin.
Cal: Yeah, this is very nice John’s bringing me in some coffee; I’m going to leave this in the video because I’m trying to catch up to your caffeine quota, yeah Celeste, are you drinking coffee right now?
Celeste: Actually I would like to put in my order for a glass of red wine because I have been quite hyper today and you know when you work from home you can sneak that in every now and then if you really need it. But umm, that’s sounding kind a like umm, like I need Hypnosis, huh?
Cal: It sounds like one of your guilty pleasures.
Celeste: Yes, actually every great once in a while a nice glass of wine. Umm, I guess we should get to work though, here because people are tuning in not to see me drink a glass of wine or you to have a cup of coffee, but they want content, they want help and umm you know Pablo Cruz, I just love him, ah he’s a Spanish ah CFI who lives in Australia, correct Cal?
Cal: Yes, he’s one of our CFI’s he’s a trainer like you are. And you can, he along with yourself you know you can teach the classes like I teach; the NGH Certification class with 5-PATH® and 7-Path™ and our week of power.
Celeste: Well every body who does Hypnosis from time to time, CFI or not, trainer or not we got questions and we’re always looking for answers. And he has ah a couple coming to see him next week he posted on www.askcal.ourhypnospace.com he says he’s ah he’s unhappy because he just found out ah that the part his partner has been diagnosed with bipolar. And he’s talking about the client; the client’s partner diagnosed with bipolar is unhappy ok. And he found out that his roommate molested his daughter, this is really confusing, what it comes, what it comes down to is can you work with bipolar clients, that’s what he wants to know?
Cal: Ok let me see if I’ve got this straight, first I have to have a cup of coffee, wait after the sip, mm. Ok so Pablo in Australia wrote and he said he has a client coming in and his client is upset or his potential client was wondering if he can work with him. Umm because umm his partner had molested his daughter and that’s really has nothing to do with the question what you’re wondering what he’s wondering about is since one of these two people has been diagnosed with bipolar if can he work with that person? Have I got that straight?
Celeste: You know.
Cal: It’s like a Soap Opera.
Celeste: I think, can I read it from the start, from the beginning, from the beginning to the ending maybe you can figure it out? You know when you guys write these questions you got to be more clear, let me read it and you take what you want from it Cal, ok, this isn’t that long.
Cal: Ok.
Celeste: I have a couple coming to see me next week, he is unhappy as he just found out that his partner has been diagnosed with bipolar and he found out recently that his roommate has been molesting, has molested his daughter.
Cal: Which he are we talking about here?
Celeste: I don’t know that’s what I’m saying you guys got to be more care, you guys got to be more careful when you write, because we don’t know which he, we’re talking about. Ok but this is the rest of it; I’m planning to do complete 5-PATH® with him, now he is coming in, sorry, now he is coming with her for the initial visit as he wants to see how I can help her as she has an alcohol problem. This gets just even more interesting, I have asked him to get a referral from her Psychiatrist saying that it’s ok to use Hypnosis for the alcohol issue but am not sure of the effectiveness of Hypnosis on bipolar clients. So actually he’s asking just like I originally said what are your views on working with someone with bipolar? Woo.
Cal: You know what that, that question is a case of TMI, what do you think Celeste?
Celeste: Yes, you want to edit it out.
Cal: No, no, no, no I have the jest of what I want to say about this. Alright so the question is can I work with bipolar, I am a Hypnotist, I’m not a Psychologist, I’m not a Counselor and bipolar is a Psychiatric Disorder according to the DSM4, right?
Celeste: Yes.
Cal: Ok, the answer is if you have a referral from the Physician or someone licensed and qualified to make that diagnosis to work with bipolar yes you can. Ah, anxiety, bipolar is a mood disorder which means they go through times of very excited mood and euphoria and in some cases they can even become ah psychotic and then other times being very, very depressed so that’s the bipolar thing.
Very, very excited ah the word they use is man icky and then very, very depressed. Ah so you need to have a referral in most places. Now whether or not you should is, is another, is another question, this is. Let me tell you what, what I’d do; now even though I have a, a, Bachelor’s degree and a Master’s degree in Psychology, I’m not licensed as a Psychologist. Umm so I, I’m just like any other Hypnotist out there legally speaking and this is my experience.
My experience really began with working with people, who had bipolar disorders, ah, disorder but for different issues. Like they might come in with a fear of public speaking and then by the way I have bipolar disorder. Now, now probably a lot of the people that are watching this are not Psychologists and haven’t been trained in Psychiatric disorders. Let me tell you something ah there are two main categories of these you know major Psychiatric disorders.
One is umm thought disorders and that’s like schizophrenic; these people have problems with delusions and hallucinations and this kind of stuff and umm it’s probably ill advised, unless you have special training to under no circumstances work with these people. They’re going to be very, very difficult to work with anyway. I talk about it times in class about times when you could and maybe even times when you should.
But that’s not who we’re talking about in this question, the question is about bipolar disorder and bipolar disorder ah is a, is a mood disorder and so unless they’re off on one of their man icky phases ah, they think just like you and I and the very present very normal. There are literally millions of people out there who have ah this diagnosis, bipolar disorder, who are they have jobs, and families, and they go to college, and they’re just like everybody else especially if their symptoms have been ah controlled with medication.
So what I would do is I’d have one of these very high functioning very normal people except for the Psychiatric diagnosis which ah is being controlled by medication come in for a fear of public speaking or for motivation in work and then what I noticed is because of the style of work that I do where I go after the cause of the problem. Now remember they’re not presenting saying I want to work, I want you to use Hypnosis to help overcome my bipolar disorder.
I’m talking about a group of people with bipolar disorder that have come in and they want to work on stop smoking, lose weight, overcoming a fear of phobia that kind of stuff. And then as I do this ah work where we do like Age Regression; follow the cause back, and do forgiveness work and parts work all that kind of stuff but sometimes the bipolar would clear up. And they would say gosh I’m feeling so much better I think I’ll go off my medication.
And I will then immediately kind of say you need to talk to your doctor, or Psychologists, or Psychiatrists whatever you want to, whoever they’re seeing about that. Because when you go off these umm very important medications you don’t want to just quit on your own. There’s a way that they step down from these medications and monitor that the umm the, the, the symptom logy is not coming back and that kind of thing.
And with following up with these clients that what we’ve found is, is in many cases they’ve been able to go to their doctor and get off the medications. So and in some cases this is the funny thing is their Psychiatrist they, they just can’t get their mind around that a good Hypnosis process done where we really work with these umm these powerful techniques of Age Regression work and, and that kind of thing ah could have an effect on bipolar.
And so at least a few times what the doctor has come back with is yes ah you no longer have bipolar disorder and so that means that you must have never had it in the first place and that what you must have been misdiagnosed. So that’s a real interesting thing. Ah so umm that’s ok you know, who wants to run around with a Psychiatric diagnosis attached to your record anyway, I mean if we can do something and have the doctor take back that diagnosis wonderful.
Anything to add to that, next I’m going to go onto talking about actually going after bipolar any, any questions or anything I missed out on there Celeste?
Celeste: No I think you get a 10. In fact I was thinking about rating you and holding up a piece of paper, saying 10, let’s just.
Cal: Well thank you very much anyway and then there are the people that come in and say you know umm I heard that you helped my friend with your bi, ah with his bipolar disorder can you help me? And then in this case I definitely need a referral in the previous example I was not working with the bipolar disorder I was working on you know lose weight, stop smoking and as a side effect of what I was doing the bipolar disorder cleared up.
Now here comes someone presenting with I have a diagnosis of bipolar disorder I’m on medication and in this case ah, you really need to get a referral from a Physician. Now in some you need to know the laws of the country and state that you work in. So, you know I am not telling what you to do, legally I’m telling you what I’ve done in the past and the kind of success or challenges I’ve had.
When you have someone come in presenting with bipolar get a doctor’s referral, if they won’t do a referral here is a, plan B, let them know that you’d like to work with ah, with their patient and ask them if, if instead of the referral, because some states they’re afraid of, of, of, of, you know litigation and liability and maybe their insurance says they can’t refer out to someone that’s not a licensed medical practitioner. And so they can’t make the referral. So you’d say would you be willing to say that it’s not contra indicated, that’s doctor speak for saying we don’t anticipate that the procedure would cause any problems.
It would not complicate things it would not make things worse. So a lot of times the Physician that would not give you a straight out referral will make you a, send you a letter that in their opinion it’s not contra indicated and so that can ah get you moving where a referral might not. So and then you would proceed, and again don’t work with things that you are not trained to work with. You know if it’s above your head then, then, and then certainly don’t take on the client.
Umm certainly ah direct suggestion, Hypnosis in itself might help some people but really to get at these kinds of things that are of an emotional nature, you’ve got to need to do some Age Regression work and ah some of these other hypnosis that are included in 5-PATH®. So by whatever name you want to call it you need to be able to go with these powerful ah, ah Hypnotic techniques and, and, and do that kind of work. Do you think I answered it Celeste?
Celeste: Boy you know that contra indicated thumbs up from the doctor is a nice little trick to have in your backpack of techniques for getting referral, well it’s not really a referral but getting more or less the, the thumbs up from the doctor or the ok isn’t it?
Cal: Yeah, have you ever tried that, have you ever had to do that?
Celeste: No, but I’m glad to know about it, I heard you talk about this in another show and I’ve made a note, for you know, in case I ever need to use that.
Cal: Very good, very good. Well let’s see we’ve been going on for about 20 minutes do we have time to get anything else in?
Celeste: Well, I, I was going to let you chose, because I was thinking the same thing, we’re running out of time so you get to chose the next one and you can chose from a question about fractionation or one about details, details, details and Age Regression and how to get them.
Cal: Hmmm…….
Celeste: I think fractionation might not take as long.
Cal: That’s what I’m thinking. Ok, ah why don’t you describe to everybody what you mean by fractionation.
Celeste: Well umm fractionation is ah actually you call it the, the fractionation deepening cover test because that’s what it’s for. It’s to covertly test to see if someone is in somnambulism or at the threshold but it can also get them there if they’re not. And it’s ah more a less a technique that Gerald Kym ah showed you originally, isn’t that true?
Cal: Yes, now let me so let me just add a little bit to your explanation there. Fractionation we just say the fraction, the phrase, the word fractionation in Hypnosis what that means is that you do something to take someone into Hypnosis and then you just partially emerge them from Hypnosis and then either deepen them or take them back into Hypnosis.
So when I think about fractionation I’m thinking about I’m emerging, I’m emerging them fractionally a fraction instead of all the way up, I might take them half way up or, or something like that. In the original element induction ah there’s a part where Dave Elman would have him, the, the client say open your eyes, close your eyes and go deeper.
When someone in Hypnosis opens their eyes they tend to emerge a little bit so the idea of saying open your eyes, close your eyes and go deeper causes them to emerge a little bit, and then you say close your eyes and go deeper and rather than just going back down to where they were before it takes them a, a little bit deeper.
So that’s the idea of fractionation, and I don’t know where Jerry Kym got this ah, ah, you know, Jerry Kym, is certainly a wonderful teacher and ah, but. Jerry and me we both teach techniques that we, we didn’t invent and so one of the interesting things about our profession coming from Psychology umm I looked at, at the development of our profession and it’s quite different.
In Psychology, if you’re going to write an article ah or part of your training very careful attention is given to what they call the antecedents, and the antecedents are the people who contributed to what you’re doing now, techniques, research and that kind of thing. And so when you, you, you say a statement like you say you know fractionation is really good for ah deepening.
Then you’d cite some major research articles and probably ah one of the first people to ever established that scientifically, you know, you’d say like ah, you know hairy errands 1952 and so then you know people could go look up that article that kind of thing. But in, in the professional Hypnotism a lot of things have been kind of handed down from master to student, master to student.
Ah, a Hypnotist that does more like quote clinical work, or consulting work might watch a stage Hypnotist and, and pick up a tip from that person and, and use it in, in their practice and so the ah really following the progression of who invented what and, and research and that kind of stuff has not been very good in our profession.
And hopefully one day ah we’ll be able to do that. I’m trying to get umm, ah, a well known author, Roy Hunter, he’s ah the, the author of the “Art of Hypnosis” the art of “Hypnotherapy” and a parts mediation book also to write a, a book about the modern history of Hypnosis, oh that was kind of a seg way. Let me tell you real quick about the fractionation before we run out of time for this episode.
So what are you doing, you want to get someone into a deep state of Hypnosis and the minimum level of Hypnosis you want to work with is what I call the threshold of somnambulism. And you want to get them at least to the very beginning of somnambulism that is identified by doing things like suggestion amnesia and suggesting ah reduction or elimination of pain.
Umm so how do we get there, well there is a number of different ways. One right now we just have two covert tests for the threshold of somnambulism and covert mean hidden. Gosh, I’m got, this is a big question, Celeste, but I’m going to wrap it up here pretty quick or we’ll have to go into the next episode which I don’t want to do I want to get this one finished up today.
If you have someone open their eyes and close their eyes in Hypnosis and you say go deeper then they’re going to go deeper. And now there’s a state of Hypnosis the other word for this somnambulism the threshold of somnambulism is a mental state called contention. Contention is where they’re hanging on every single word and so we’re going to give the client the suggestion.
In a moment I’m going to count from 1 to 3 when I get to 3, and not before I want you to open your eyes and then I will lightly snap my fingers like this and then I want you to close your eyes and go deeper. And then what we’ll do is we’ll start off with 1, 2, and 3 and on 3 not before, not after, they should open their eyes and you praise them and you say good go deeper and then they go back down.
Then you’ll do that slowly at first and then you’re going to pick up the rhythm and you’ll go 1, 2, and 3 and they open their eyes on 3and you go deeper, 1, 2, 3 deeper, 1, 2, 3, deeper, 1, 2, 3 deeper, 1, 2,3 deeper now what happens is I’m really doing 4, 4 times there right. 1, 2, 3 and instead of saying 4 I snap my fingers. If you’re in a normal ah waking state of consciousness IE, not hypnotized or in a lighter state, light state of Hypnosis like Hypnoidal or light Hypnosis maybe even medium Hypnosis, what’s going to happen you’re going to anticipate the 4th beat.
And the 3rd well the anticipate any beat because you’ve got into that rhythm and you want to go through that 1, 2, 3 deeper at least 3 times to get that rhythm established well and then you’ll interrupt the pattern you’ll go 1, 2, 3, deeper, 1, 2, 3 deeper, 1, 2, 3, deeper, 1, 2, and then you wait, if they’re not yet in the threshold of somnambulism or deeper you’ll see them begin to open their eyes and to anticipate that number 3 if they do that then they’re not deep enough yet.
And you’ll just say the number 3 let them open their eyes on 3 and then snap your fingers and then you can do the process again until they get deep enough to where they don’t anticipate the 3 and that’s one of our covert tests for somnambulism. Ah, and I’m going to thank Jerry Kym for showing me that, that technique. Alright Celeste, I think we’ve got to watch our time here and why don’t you wrap it up.
Celeste: Ok Cal, first of all real quickly is there anywhere, where they can see that demonstrated do you have a video or anything?
Cal: I believe that’s on the 5-PATH® DVD set.
Celeste: Cool, because I think it’s so much more powerful when you actually see the rhythm and see it happening.
Cal: I know if you were here I’d hypnotize you for them.
Celeste: Yes my eyes were opening and closing.
Cal: Alright maybe you can grab Christopher.
Celeste: Ok
Cal: He’s the, he’s the husband slash cameraman there with Celeste and, and you know he could, she could Hypnotize him or something, but we don’t have enough time today. Ah, yeah it’s better if you could actually see it so Celeste could show it to you in class I could show it to you in class. Ah it’s also on the 5-PATH® DVD set with a whole bunch of other stuff, that’s available on www.banyanhypnosismall.com. Is that good enough for you Celeste?
Celeste: I think that’s great, you guys thanks for tuning in you’ve been watching and or listening because you can also download this on audio so that you can listen when you at the gym or on a trip somewhere just driving along in the car so you’ve been watching and or listening to Cal Banyan’s Hypnosis Etc., I’m Celeste Hackett with Family First Hypnosis in Dallas, Texas.
Cal: And I’m Cal Banyan out here in Tustin, California check me out on www.calbanyan.com if you’re watching this on another website go to www.calbanyan.com because when we talk about a resource like a book, tape or website we put it right down there and you can only get it at www.calbanyan.com. Alright that’s it, Cal Banyan signing off.
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